Monday Mailbag - Grading Chiarelli's Trade Deadline

baggedmilk
March 06 2017 07:15AM

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Can you believe that we're in March already? It's strange to think about the fact that we're coming down the home stretch with light at the end of the tunnel. I don't know what to do with my hands. Draft related sadness is a story that we've seen many times before, but there hasn't been any draft talk around these parts and that's something new and exciting. Playoffs? We're actually talking playoffs! But on this day we take a look at the answers to everything you've ever wanted to know when it comes to the Edmonton Oilers, and life in general. My friends, it's mailbag time.

Let's Make a Deal

1) Brady asks - If you had to give the Oilers a grade for their deadline approach what would it be and why?

Jonathan Willis:

C+. Desharnais is an important addition to the team, and secures a third-line centre position which has been a real problem all year. I'm not wild about the acquisition cost; in a vacuum I'd rather have Davidson though Desharnais obviously does more to address team need than Davidson did (more on that here). I'd personally have taken a more aggressive approach, targeting at least an additional RW, because I think there's a chance this team could go on a run. I understand Peter Chiarelli's skepticism, though. There's not enough here to bump up the grade - not when teams like Boston or Nashville were able to add cheap insurance on the wing - but there's also nothing worth getting too upset about.

Lowetide:

I am terrible with grades, but would say C+. C because they should have gotten a goalie and + because they didn't trade any draft picks. I find it difficult to be critical of Chiarelli because he didn't trade Jeff Petry for draft picks.

Robin Brownlee:

Peter Chiarelli took a realistic approach to the deadline. If you wanted one of the few big names out there, you won't be happy, but I think adding David Desharnais was a solid move that was needed in the bottom six. Big moves, if made, need to come in the summer. Solid B-plus, maybe even an A. 

Matt Henderson:

C- I think they have had a weakness on the wing for the entire season and the price to fill it was very low. Parenteau of Vanek for a sixth or a third and an AHL D was very low and could have had a huge impact on the roster. At bare minimum, it would have opened up options for McLellan. So they swapped out Davidson for Desharnais and really nothing else. I think this team had a chance to walk away big winners but didn't. 

Chris the Intern:

I would give Chia a B+. First of all, I wasn't expecting much coming into the deadline, so I wasn't really surprised that he didn't do much. AND he told us that his plan was not to do much. I'm excited to see Eberle & RNH in the playoffs for the first time in a long time.

Baggedmilk:

I'd give Chia a 'C' because I wasn't really expecting much in the first place. I like Davi but I don't mind the Desharnais trade. I would have liked to see something more than Justin Fontaine added for RW depth, but to me that says that they're going to be recalling Poolparty before the playoffs start.


2) Sean M. asks - The Oilers made very few moves this deadline, opting to keep draft picks. Considering the lack of prospect depth (particularly among forwards) was this a good strategy for this year?

Jonathan Willis:

With the West being the way it is, I have argued for a more aggressive strategy. Even if we avoid the extreme version of that (Russell, Davidson out; Shattenkirk in, hard run at Vrbata, hard run at Boyle) I don't think a depth pick was too high of a price to pay for a veteran winger. However, it's not hard to understand the reasoning here. If Edmonton's going to be competitive in the coming seasons, it's going to need good, cheap, young players and that means a lot of college recruitment and draft picks. On that score, it's hard not to like the addition of Ryan Mantha to the team - right defence is an area of weakness in the prospect pool and he helps address that. 

Lowetide:

I think the general manager was in fact hamstrung from not having his own second-round pick. The club has been using their picks more wisely in recent years so keeping those picks makes sense to me.

Robin Brownlee:

Yes.

Matt Henderson:

Not from my perspective. The draft isn't going to save the Oilers any longer. The team is simply too good to expect big returns from the draft. Their best young players are a lot more likely to come outside this route, like Matthew Benning and maybe this Mantha kid. Now that this club should be in the 18-31 range for the foreseeable future, the value of their picks will plummet. 

Chris the Intern:

I am a little bit confused with the Taylor Beck trade. Seemed sort of lateral to me. Although it seems apparent Chia is looking to sign older guys so if that's what he's going for he followed through with it. With that said it will be nice heading into this years draft with a bunch of picks (minus a second).

Baggedmilk:

Apparently, this year's draft class isn't overly good so keeping picks wouldn't matter as much. That said, maybe Chiarelli is going to use them as trade bullets for the draft or as a means to keep Vegas' grubby mitts away from someone specific. At the end of the day, I'm just happy that we're not talking about where the Oilers will be drafting this year.


3) Ashley asks - Did Peter Chiarelli mess up by not adding an experienced backup goaltender?

Jonathan Willis:

I know a lot of people have a problem with this, but I don't really. Brossoit has to make the jump now if he's going to be on the team next year, and given that he has to clear waivers we can look at this as his career being at the crossroads. There's also the concern of taking on additional salary given the Oilers' likely rookie bonuses. To me it comes down to the coaching staff being willing to give Brossoit a few starts over the next month and a half. If Brossoit plays the Colorado game on Mar. 23, one of the Vancouver games on Apr. 8/9, and one or two others, that should be enough.

Lowetide:

Mess up may be a bit strong, but I bet on some level Mr. Chiarelli wanted to add a goalie.

Robin Brownlee:

Mess up? No. Was it worth looking at? Sure.

Matt Henderson:

Yes. He's working without a safety net. You won't know you needed one until it's too late.

Chris the Intern:

It would have been nice bringing a guy like Halak in while letting Brossoit win an AHL chamipionship but I'm not angry we didn't get one. I'm fine with him playing the odd game. Talbot has not gotten fatigued...yet. For now I will assume this is impossible and that he'll play in the NHL until he's 50. 

Baggedmilk:

No, he didn't screw up by not adding a backup goalie at the deadline, he screwed up by adding Gustavsson in free agency. There were much better options out there and Chiarelli landed on Gustavsson which didn't make any sense. Remember how I said that at the time and some of you guys roasted me for it? I'll wait for my apology cards to come in the mail.


4) Graham asks - Was there a particular trade or deal that happened on or before deadline day that you wish the Oilers would have been able to swing? I thought the Vanek deal was doable for Edmonton but they missed out again.

Jonathan Willis:

I didn't think Vanek was a fit for Edmonton - he's been one of the four most sheltered forwards in the entire analytics era - and Todd McLellan just doesn't run his lines like that. As much as he would have been a help to the power play, it's hard to find room for a slower, one-dimensional forward at evens. I'd have had time for P.A. Parenteau for a sixth-round pick; that's basically no cost for a guy who can help the power play and chip in on a veteran third line with Desharnais and Pouliot.

Lowetide:

Not really, no. The Oilers time will come and when it does. I expect we will be dancing and singing.

Robin Brownlee:

I wouldn't have minded seeing Curtis Lazar get a second chance in Edmonton. Minor deal, but I think there's a useful bottom six forward there. 

Matt Henderson:

You mentioned Vanek, that one for me stands out. His reputation is in the gutter with a lot of fans (and hockey people) but that's real talent acquired for almost nothing. I still would have loved to see the Oil swing for the fences and go for Shattenkirk. The price was not that high and I would have bet on myself as GM that I could sell him on being 97's teammate with an extension.

Chris the Intern:

I thought the Parenteau deal was very plausible and surprising. Wish we could have got him.

Baggedmilk:

I too think the Parenteau deal was something that Chiarelli should have looked at. Heaven forbid we don't lose that sixth round pick. Vanek might have been nice to bolster the power play, too. The real prize was Shattenkirk but it didn't sound like he wanted to be here anyway so what was the point of trying to force a square peg into a round hole?


5) Always Oilers asks  - With the Oilers playing 11 of 13 games in March at home what would be an acceptable record over that span to make sure they solidify their playoff position?

Jonathan Willis:

I'm not worried about them solidifying their playoff position. They're almost certainly in, barring something truly catastrophic happening. What I'm curious about is whether they can climb the standings in the Pacific division and get some of the kinks ironed out prior to the postseason. Given the softness of the schedule, something like 7-4-2 would be the minimum that I'd find acceptable, and it wouldn't surprise me if they went on a real tear.

Lowetide:

I think this is the point in the season when it is hard to do that, to be honest. If Edmonton clinches third place and cannot reach second in the final four games, we may see players rested. I will say they should average more than a point per game, though.

Robin Brownlee:

Oilers should win eight of those 13 games.

Matt Henderson:

8-4-1 is a record I would be pretty happy with. It seems lofty, but it's doable. Edmonton has opponents breathing down their neck. They need to separate themselves if they want home ice in the first round. It's barely more than a month before the regular season is over. Finish strong heading into the playoffs. 

Chris the Intern:

Honestly, I feel like they could clinch the playoffs by going 7-4-1 but I think they are going to do much better than that. 9-1-3. Book it!

Baggedmilk:

They need to win at least 60% of these games which equals out to about eight wins. They have a friendly schedule against a lot of non-playoff teams down the stretch and they'll need to take advantage of that as Calgary and LA are now right on their heels. 


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#51 madjam
March 06 2017, 12:05PM
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CMG30 wrote:

Correction. Having Talbot on his game and McDavid playing all season translated into this.

A healthier and newly added defence was just as important to our emergence , as Talbot and McDavid did not add much last year to the new culture that has emerged this season . Trading alpha male Hall made culture transition much easier , and seemed to bring rest of players together to a new level of acceptance of all playing for one another , and perhaps the breaking of the clique that seem to be Hall's groupees . New group seems to be more accepting of veterans , team concept and alumni .

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#52 Stanley
March 06 2017, 12:14PM
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Why does anyone bother responding to Hockey123? He is either an obvious troll or an absolute idiot. Either way its a waste of time talking to him.

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#53 Hemmercules
March 06 2017, 12:30PM
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I was just trying to poke at him today because he was trying to prove me wrong last week and he keeps bringing up the goalie thing. Im not really sure what his angle is or who he cheers for?? I can't recall many positive comments towards the Oilers.

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#54 Seriously Bored
March 06 2017, 12:35PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

I was just trying to poke at him today because he was trying to prove me wrong last week and he keeps bringing up the goalie thing. Im not really sure what his angle is or who he cheers for?? I can't recall many positive comments towards the Oilers.

He is a flames fan just pretends like he isnt one. Has had a few names trolling us for awhile now.

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#55 SSB1963
March 06 2017, 12:37PM
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Stanley wrote:

Why does anyone bother responding to Hockey123? He is either an obvious troll or an absolute idiot. Either way its a waste of time talking to him.

Your wrong. He is and Idiot Troll!

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#56 SSB1963
March 06 2017, 12:40PM
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Hockey123 wrote:

Detroit was playing a back to back , they traded away 4 players and were down 1 D-man in the game and bottom team in the NHL. So to review any player during that game is a joke.

I will reserve my opinion on Desharnais .

Seems to me a while back that the flames lost to the Devils after playing the night before in Edmonton.

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#57 toprightcorner
March 06 2017, 01:01PM
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Unsurprisingly, Hendersons answers were the exact opposite of Brownlees. They would have been opposite of Gregors as well. I am glad we dont have a "Matt Henderson" type GM or we would give Colorado and Vancouver a real run for their money.

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#58 toprightcorner
March 06 2017, 01:05PM
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I find it funny how Chia tells everyone before the deadline tht he wasn't going to do much and for the most part, people were fine with that. He ends up doing exactly what he says and people are not happy.

It is stupid to make big changes and lose assests in an effort to try and win 2 more playoff games.

Keep those assets now, add some prospects to the system so in 1-2 years when they are much closer to competing for the conference finals or the cup, you can give up those picks with less affect on the organization.

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#59 GK1980
March 06 2017, 01:06PM
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"They have a friendly schedule against a lot of non-playoff teams down the stretch and they'll need to take advantage of that as Calgary and LA are now right on their heels. "

Calgary yes, LA though? Really? Have you seen them play lately? They are brutal and I can't see them making the second season.

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#60 toprightcorner
March 06 2017, 01:31PM
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madjam wrote:

A healthier and newly added defence was just as important to our emergence , as Talbot and McDavid did not add much last year to the new culture that has emerged this season . Trading alpha male Hall made culture transition much easier , and seemed to bring rest of players together to a new level of acceptance of all playing for one another , and perhaps the breaking of the clique that seem to be Hall's groupees . New group seems to be more accepting of veterans , team concept and alumni .

I would agree that the much improved defense was just as much, if not more responsible to the Oilers success this year than McDavid or Talbot. The defense already has more points and more goals this year than last year. The ability to get the puck to McDavid and other forwards help them to be successful.

McDavid is obviously the savior of the team and without him the Oilers would still be roaming the desert, but without the addition of Larsson, Russell and to a point Benning, The Oilers may still have been fighting for a playoff spot, but they wouldn't have been a shoe in with 15 games left in the season.

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#61 3 Little Birds
March 06 2017, 01:42PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

In texas and florid he'd be around overweight afro-mexicans as well. I think there are a few attractive women in Edmonton.

Wow dude, just wow.

This just in - Mexicans don't have afros.

Tweet out your (lack of) intelligence report to Fox news and Trump will build his wall out of Velcro.

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#62 toprightcorner
March 06 2017, 01:51PM
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I don't blame Chia for the lack of moves at the deadline, I blame the NHL and that stupid compensation rule for hiring fired staff and stealing our 2nd round pick.

If we still had the second round pick, I am almost certain Boyle would be with the Oilers right now and everyone would be happy.

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#63 Towersofdub
March 06 2017, 01:56PM
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3 Little Birds wrote:

Wow dude, just wow.

This just in - Mexicans don't have afros.

Tweet out your (lack of) intelligence report to Fox news and Trump will build his wall out of Velcro.

Afro-mexicans as in biracial people who have one Black parent and one Mexican parent. I can elaborate further if you need.

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#64 MillHoodsHockey4Life
March 06 2017, 02:01PM
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@toprightcorner

So you're saying it would be better to have every writer on here having the exact same opinion on everything? Next thing you'd be complaining that all the writers are paid by OEG to only have puff pieces. Why bother reading if you only want to hear the same voices over and over as long as they align with what you want to hear?

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#65 Dr. Merkwurdigliebe
March 06 2017, 02:02PM
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I think Chia's strategy is to see what this team can do in the playoffs, assess, and then make the necessary changes in the off-season. I'd give him a B. Desharnais was a good addition. The Oilers are very strong at centre.

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#66 3 Little Birds
March 06 2017, 02:37PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

Afro-mexicans as in biracial people who have one Black parent and one Mexican parent. I can elaborate further if you need.

No elaboration needed, kind sir. I just found it hilarious that you pick the smallest sub-set of minorities to use as an unattractive example.

Norwegian-Cubans, Malaysian-New Zealanders and Polish-Guatemalans all seem to have escaped your critical, monocled eyed scrutiny!

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#67 Oilerz4life
March 06 2017, 02:46PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

Afro-mexicans as in biracial people who have one Black parent and one Mexican parent. I can elaborate further if you need.

How about no. You should be banned.

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#68 Towersofdub
March 06 2017, 03:02PM
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3 Little Birds wrote:

No elaboration needed, kind sir. I just found it hilarious that you pick the smallest sub-set of minorities to use as an unattractive example.

Norwegian-Cubans, Malaysian-New Zealanders and Polish-Guatemalans all seem to have escaped your critical, monocled eyed scrutiny!

It was just in response to someone suggesting that an nhl player would rather play in florida or texas because the women there are all beautiful. I actually like the full figured half black half latina look.

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#69 Towersofdub
March 06 2017, 03:03PM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

How about no. You should be banned.

banned for saying that there are fat ethnically mixed women in texas and florida? Seems draconian to me.

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#70 Oiler Al
March 06 2017, 03:05PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

Do you bring anything to the conversation other than being childish and self righteous??

Hey, dont pick on Hockey 123, in a couple of years when he turns 15 yrs of age,he will think differently!

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#71 Oiler Al
March 06 2017, 03:05PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

Do you bring anything to the conversation other than being childish and self righteous??

Hey, dont pick on Hockey 123, in a couple of years when he turns 15 yrs of age,he will think differently!

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#72 nuge2drai
March 06 2017, 07:59PM
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"I'm excited to see Eberle & RNH in the playoffs for the first time in a long time."

I think you meant to say for the first time EVER.

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#73 Anton CP
March 06 2017, 08:15PM
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For those who were criticized of Chiarelli's trade deadline approach clearly are short-sighted. This off-season has a long to-do list that making trades just for the sake of get a possible a few more extra playoffs games but ultimately still far off from being a Stanley Cup champion is non-sense.

A few factors that doing little this trade deadline is a good idea:

1. The team lacks playoffs experiences. More than half of the roster have not played a single playoffs games. No one knows how the team will compete in playoffs so no reason to rush.

2. They are not contender yet. No among of tweaks will help this team to have a significant playoffs impacts that it is still have to depend on the core leaders to carry the team into the future. They need to get their feet wet and gaining as much as experience as possible. Dreaming about winning it all will turn this team back to the old Oilers or be like how Avs is right now.

3. Expansion draft. This off-season will handicapped GMs to make a rush decision due to the possibility that they will loss main players. One thing about the trade of Davidson is actually making Vegas to take someone that Chiarelli really want to get rid of (ex. Pouliot or Fayne). Chiarelli may not get enough from Davidson but this move will force the hand of Vegas.

4. Upcoming expire EL contracts. Draisaitl is due for a big payday this off-season and with McDavid, Slepyshev, Caggiula, Benning, and Nurse following next off-season. No among of cap spaces will be enough to get some of them re-sign with the team so evaluating the team is much more important than push for a unrealistic Stanley Cup run. The team is just not ready yet.

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#74 OilersGM
March 06 2017, 09:50PM
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Heavy Stick wrote:

You have to remember...very few top end players want to come to Edmonton. It's likely in the bottom 10 for sure. Climate and taxes alone do it but add eccentric fans and you have a overpay or I stay situation..see Lucic et AL. Would McDaviD rather been playing in Florida or Texas. He'd pocket another mil a year at least and be around hot girls.

Typical lamer thinking. McDavid is working on building a legacy by winning championships. The money and girls will come to him anyways, his not worried about that only a person with a peanut size brain would think like you.

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#75 OilersGM
March 06 2017, 09:54PM
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Hockey123 wrote:

Huge mistake not having a legit backup goalie for the playoffs. Chia has made this mistake twice since he has been here.

If any team is playing their backup they are not gonna advance that far anyways.

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#76 Boom or Bust
March 06 2017, 10:26PM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

How about no. You should be banned.

Don't frett over dub....he doesn't have a soul

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#77 Oilerchild77
March 06 2017, 11:22PM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

How about no. You should be banned.

How the hell did this thread veer off so bad? Who cares about this sh!t!? Talk hockey or ban your damned selves.

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