SAM GAGNER'S NAME "OUT THERE"

Lowetide
January 04 2014 05:10PM

During tonight's Hotstove portion of the HNIC pre-game, Elliotte Friedman told the nation "Sam Gagner's name is out there" and suggested the Oilers would find him a place he'd be comfortable with playing (if a transaction were to be completed). It sounds very much like the team and player have decided a move could be made if it fits for all sides, although specifics weren't covered in the brief report.

LATE SEPTEMBER (21st)

Gagner's season went sideways in a hurry one autumn night in Vancouver, and the impact has been felt by player and team all season long. I don't for a minute believe that the Kassian stick incident led us to this day, but it probably hurried it along.

Bottom line: Craig MacTavish has to make plans for next year. He has to ask questions:

  1. Is Dallas Eakins the coach of next year's team?
  2. Do the Oilers need to improve up the middle?
  3. Has Mark Arcobello done enough to make Gagner expendable?
  4. Will the organization have the same number of similar talents in the top 6F next season?
  5. Can they get value for Gagner?
  6. Is Gagner a part of the future with Eakins in charge?

Those are tough questions, but the news today suggests that they exist in the organization and Sam Gagner (who perhaps Gagner has questions about his future as an Oiler) may be heading out of Edmonton during the season.

What does it all mean? Well, you never get full value in these situations, so prepare to be disappointed with the return. On the other hand, the Oilers will be going to market next summer with more money and will very likely arrive at training camp next fall with a bigger lineup.

We wait.

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#201 the rake
January 05 2014, 11:22AM
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One of the biggest mistakes last summer was resigning Gagner, I like the guy, but he has reached all he will ever be, and his trade value is dropping fast. He may be a 50 point guy, but that is as high as he will ever achieve, and he brings nothing else to the team that warrants his salary. Poor skater, poor shot, terrible defensively, terrible faceoff guy, no physicality. If he was getting a point a game maybe you keep him, but he is nowhere near that. Arco is the same guy at a quarter of the price. Time to start packaging some of these guys to try and get things moving in the right direction. Boston may be looking for a veteran d-man for the playoffs, does Nick Schultz and Gagner and possibly a prospect get you Paille and Bartkowski. Maybe a deal with Washington to get Joel Ward and Karl Alzner. Management has to start now to make some moves, they need to bring some guys in now to get familiar with one another rather than waiting until the offseason and having to start all over again next year and getting off to another brutal start. MacT says he is not afraid of making bold moves, lets see some.

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#202 S cottV
January 05 2014, 11:26AM
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K_Mart wrote:

Not sure why anyone expected us to even be a bubble team this year.

We are the youngest team in the league when you average the age of players based on minutes played each night.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/17/are-the-edmonton-oilers-the-youngest-team-in-the-league-or-how-math-shrunk-big-john-scott/

Chicago scores the most and their top 4 forwards are 34,32,25,25 years of age.

Ours are 20,20,22,23. Think about it. Not realistic for fans to expect the smallest, youngest, least physical forward core to actually succeed at this level.

So let's give these young guys trying to find their way in the NHL a young first year Coach to find his way too. That way they can relate better with each other.

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#203 michael
January 05 2014, 11:26AM
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Athabascajim wrote:

Maggie the monkey could do a better job than KLowe.

I wonder if TSN would let us use Maggie the Monkey on draft day? Can't argue Maggies picks. Did a hell of a job with the playoff picks. I for one think Katz should hire Maggie the Monkey as a special assistant to the GM. Couldn't hurt at this point.Spin that wheel Maggie.

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#204 Rod from Viking
January 05 2014, 11:27AM
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michael wrote:

@Rod in Viking.

Your right about the quality of the veterans that have passed through of late. Though MACT has been better by bringing in Ference and Gordon. IB has been good.Gazdic better than good.

MacT though wasted several contracts this past off season. Including Acton,Grebby and Hamilton and SMACK(who I like but he was never used). He has managed to dump a couple of contracts so far and come this off season should be able to shave 7-10 more. Explain to me how Joensuu was an upgrade on Petrell? who 5x5 was a non factor but was a beast on the PK. JJ has done exactly what? Ryan Jones? the word squat comes to mind. Corey Potter? Even fictional Harry Potter couldn't abracadabra his poor play away. Larsen? Size matters at this level.Especially on defence. Belov? A long way to go.

I would like to see the Oilers part ways with Hemsky. N Shultz and Ryan Smyth. As far as Gagner is concerned he has not shown diddly in the way of defensive zone improvement. Trading him to NJ or to the NYIsles might be the ticket. Arcobello as a stop gap until the summer at 2cd line center is fine by me.

Like we all think and post this team has a long way to go.

Agree, Can a Canadian doctor practice in the U.S. or not? This would have a huge impact on where Sam could go. If this player would have spent a year more in junior and a year or two in the AHL would he be a more complete player? I would think so, the years of being thrown to the wolves and this years broken jaw as well as no one dealing with Kassian and all the problems with this team, I think it has him wanting out and no one could blame him.

I never said Joensuu was an upgrade and Mac T made other signings that didn't work out and they would have been made with input from the pro scouting staff that have not done a good job.

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#205 WTF
January 05 2014, 11:38AM
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michael wrote:

I wonder if TSN would let us use Maggie the Monkey on draft day? Can't argue Maggies picks. Did a hell of a job with the playoff picks. I for one think Katz should hire Maggie the Monkey as a special assistant to the GM. Couldn't hurt at this point.Spin that wheel Maggie.

I think what you meant to say was, " special assistant to Harrison Katz" on draft day.

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#206 Danger Pay
January 05 2014, 11:39AM
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Just came across this. It should help put some things into perspective and my f#%k it's hilarious, mostly because before the season started I knew the Oilers would miss the playoffs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnqaRY00Cug

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#207 merfer
January 05 2014, 11:41AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Agree, Can a Canadian doctor practice in the U.S. or not? This would have a huge impact on where Sam could go. If this player would have spent a year more in junior and a year or two in the AHL would he be a more complete player? I would think so, the years of being thrown to the wolves and this years broken jaw as well as no one dealing with Kassian and all the problems with this team, I think it has him wanting out and no one could blame him.

I never said Joensuu was an upgrade and Mac T made other signings that didn't work out and they would have been made with input from the pro scouting staff that have not done a good job.

I like Gegner as a person but I'm sorry, he gets paid 5 million a year so who cares if his wife to be, can't be a doctor in the states. Just ship him off to anyone who will take him so we can get out from underneath this horrible con tract. MacT has made him a rich man so I have little pity on how this will impact him or her. You would hope that Mac T would be able to find some one to play 2nd or 3rd line centre for a last place team, at least till the end of this year.

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#208 Sisyphus
January 05 2014, 11:41AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Teams always look for defensive depth for the playoffs any of the eight 5-6 defencmen the Oilers have may be traded. Teams also look to have a veteran backup in goal if they are not sure of their starter ability of health both goalies are tradeable.

Teams will be looking to take advantage of a rookie GM in a position of weakness.

Hate to break it to you, but very few of the Oilers d-men would be 5-6 on a team in the chase this year. That isn't the kind of "depth" they want--and am 100% certain they wouldn't give you a dman, center, or goalie back.

Oilers dont need more picks and prospects, they need veteran roster players right now. Anyone in the chase isn't giving those up, especially not for what the Oilers have to offer in return

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#209 Naky
January 05 2014, 11:47AM
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She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

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#210 Brian
January 05 2014, 11:47AM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Just came across this. It should help put some things into perspective and my f#%k it's hilarious, mostly because before the season started I knew the Oilers would miss the playoffs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnqaRY00Cug

I had to keep pausing to wipe the tears out of my eyes. God that's funny. Pure gold.

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#211 Danger Pay
January 05 2014, 12:02PM
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Brian wrote:

I had to keep pausing to wipe the tears out of my eyes. God that's funny. Pure gold.

"Ok,everyone who thinks Shea Weber will be an Oiler, leave now" LOL

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#212 D-Unit
January 05 2014, 12:08PM
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Naky wrote:

She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

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#213 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 12:23PM
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D-Unit wrote:

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

Well said. If Sam wants to stay in edmonton with his wife, he can do so without playing for the oilers

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#214 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 12:35PM
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Naky wrote:

She can be a doctor there, she just can't leave here for two more years during her practice. Hence NTC.

Merfer, I hope some day you are in a position where you're given a raise and a transfer (or you lose the job entirely) but your significant other can't follow you so you know what that might be like. Pro sports or not, there's always a human element involved where you should treat people as you wish to be treated.

In the end, it's just a game. There's no need to be a hateful person about it. The organization has finally done something classy for a player who has been a loyal soldier for them and if they're both agreeable on the movement because things have been worked out, then great. Otherwise, I fully hope they uphold it and try to redeem some semblance of honor in that management group.

Grow up. Suck it up. Your an effing millionaire. And it is your job. The world is tough, wear a helmet

There are those of us who have had to go through a lot worse. While earning a lot less.

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#215 Zarny
January 05 2014, 12:43PM
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It's funny how haters completely lose perspective. Not to mention clearly don't understand the value of offense in the NHL.

In 2011-12 no team had more than 7 players with 45 pts or more. Most teams only had 1-3. The LA Kings had 3. Chi only had 4. 55 pts would have led the Blues in scoring. Between the lockouts 30th in scoring for C was 62, 60, 56, 58, 57, 57 and 53 pts.

Gagner is 24 and just entering his prime. His career pt/gm over a full season is 50 pts and last year was on pace for 65 pts. He may have tailed off, but even if he dropped to 0.5 pt/gm he still finishes with 55. More likely closer to 60 pts which puts him at the bottom of 1C offensive production without ever having played a game in his prime.

So anyone who thinks Gagner has no value is clueless. The Leafs gave Bozak $4.2M @ 5 yrs and some think Gagner for another 2 yrs is a problem? Good grief.

Most teams are dying for skilled F who can score 50-60 pts. The Oilers have extra and need other types players. By virtue of three #1 draft picks Gagner happens to be the most favorable guy for Edm to trade.

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#216 mnm
January 05 2014, 12:50PM
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is it just me or does anyone else feel that this rebuild is never gonna end

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#217 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 12:50PM
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@Zarny

Gagner has trade value. You can tell that from the amount of traffic on the interwebs and forums. Lots of different teams fans want him. I have said for a while Gagner and Ebs have got to go. They do not make this TEAM better. They could be package to bring us in some solid depth. MacT should be working the phones.

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#218 Dave
January 05 2014, 12:58PM
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That video clip was terrific. We have seen the spoof before but this one was truly prophetic.

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#219 the rake
January 05 2014, 01:03PM
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MessyEH wrote:

Gagner has trade value. You can tell that from the amount of traffic on the interwebs and forums. Lots of different teams fans want him. I have said for a while Gagner and Ebs have got to go. They do not make this TEAM better. They could be package to bring us in some solid depth. MacT should be working the phones.

Totally agree. Gagner will be gone this year, Eberle will be the guy that is moved close to or on draft day, really depends on where the Oil are picking, but if it is in the top 2, this will be the one and only chance that they may have a shot at getting Weber. Nashville may take Eberle, the Oiler's first (which could get them Eckblad), and probably a prospect to make the deal. For the naysayers saying there is no way Weber ends up an Oiler, you maybe surprised. If Nashville misses playoffs, they will need to also make some serious changes, and one thing they need is skilled offensive players.

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#220 JDP
January 05 2014, 01:05PM
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They should let Ron burgundy manage this team. Oh wait too late!

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#221 OilFanInVan
January 05 2014, 01:33PM
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OIL or NOTHING wrote:

Having read through the comments, I have only 1 question

Where is DSF?

I would prefer to have him around as blog clown over this "Josh Oiler"

DSF was a paid troller by OIlersnation. When they got called on it and the advertisers approached them about it, DSF ceased being paid and thus ceased posting.

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#222 David S
January 05 2014, 01:46PM
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-30- wrote:

Not to be a pessimist but will this end up like Andrew Cogliano?

Funny how the grass always looks greener elsewhere isn't it?

-30-

"Look at me now bitches."

- Andrew Cogliano after hearing about his new 4 year, $12M contract extension with the Ducks

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#223 Serious Gord
January 05 2014, 01:48PM
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Cannot believe there is even a discussion about a player's spouse's career choices having an impact on what to do with a player.

If MacT signed gagner because of it he should have been fired and if he's negotiating with that in mind now he should be fired. His one and only concern should be what's in the best Inteest of the team. These players are amply compensated to deal with their off ice family issues on their own.

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#224 Smokey
January 05 2014, 02:02PM
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I don't thinks Eberle is healthy. Track record will show he will turn this around. When he goes on a run of 12 points in the next 7 games his detractors will shut up. I can't believe people are saying we should trade him. Unless he's in the magical nonsensical Weber dreams he's an Oiler. If Weber was an Oiler, why would anyone suggest we trade him. Top 3 defenceman in NHL are rare, he is Nashville. David Poille is not trading the fragship piece of his franchise period.

Sam has had 4 years to emerge as a 50 point player. Last year he was essentially that, spare me the he was not. If seven years have shown us anything he is a defensively inept and small and inconsistant. I say moving forward you move him to the wing and make a decision to keep him or Hemsky. You dangle both names and see if there are takers for one or the other.

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#225 MessyEH
January 05 2014, 02:19PM
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OilFanInVan wrote:

DSF was a paid troller by OIlersnation. When they got called on it and the advertisers approached them about it, DSF ceased being paid and thus ceased posting.

I suspect you have some sort of proof!

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#226 Oliveoiler
January 05 2014, 02:28PM
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Renney is a teacher Eakins is a preacher.

2 names - Peter Laviolette + his staff Marc Crawford + his staff

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#227 merfer
January 05 2014, 02:31PM
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D-Unit wrote:

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many people work and live in different places than their wives, and families live, especially in Alberta. Some who get home a few days or a week a month to spend times with their wives and families, others who when they leave for work aren't sure when they will get to come home again. Also, the vast majority of them don't make 4.8 million dollars a year, or won't make that in there entire career, and don't have A doctor wife at home.

Don't give us the "human element" argument. Life isn't fair, and can be rough at times, we have to get over it, and if Sam can't, we can add that to the list of reasons he doesn't belong with the Oilers.

No kidding life isn't fair. I won't make $15,000,000 in 5 lifetimes and that's just his last contract. You cannot tell me she can't finish her medical degree or practice in some other city. Please, thats crap. I know he doesn't want to disturb her right now, OK,then he should start playing like someone who wants to stay on this team, not the garbage that he has been producing. I know he can play a lot better than this. When you go out and get paid like this you need to start producing or accept the consequences.

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#228 rob f
January 05 2014, 02:49PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I told everyone yesterday!!!

Lindy Ruff was available and the Oilers didn't move!

Brian Burke could have also been had as GM!

MacT: ITS TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON A BLOCKBUSTER DEAL

Sam Gagner and 2014 1st round pick for David Clarkeson.

at least this time you asked for Clarkson and no Shea Weber....

im beging to think youre actually Kevin Low

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#229 Zarny
January 05 2014, 03:55PM
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MessyEH wrote:

Gagner has trade value. You can tell that from the amount of traffic on the interwebs and forums. Lots of different teams fans want him. I have said for a while Gagner and Ebs have got to go. They do not make this TEAM better. They could be package to bring us in some solid depth. MacT should be working the phones.

I don't think it's a matter of "having" to trade any player.

Eberle and Gagner both make Edm a better team. The problem is that they make Edm better the same way Hall, Nuge, Yak and to a lesser extent Perron do. To varying degrees, they all do the same things well and right now have the same weaknesses in their game.

The problem is the mix of players. 1-2 of the top 6 F need to be changed for size and strength and a top pairing D. So it becomes a process of elimination.

Hall and Nuge look like keepers. So you're moving 1-2 of Perron, Eberle, Yakupov and Gagner.

Gagner and Perron are my 2 picks in that order. Not because they are bad. They are simply 5-6th skill wise 2 yrs from now.

You might need more value than Perron to get one of the moves done so it's Eberle or Yakupov. You can keep or trade either one. It all depends on what's being offered in return.

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#230 outdoorzguy
January 05 2014, 04:04PM
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mnm wrote:

is it just me or does anyone else feel that this rebuild is never gonna end

Wait until Loser Lowe tells us its just beginning all over again!!

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#231 HOCKEY FAN 1976
January 05 2014, 05:18PM
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the fact that they want to trade Gags when his value is so low goes to show you that acquiring an MBA in business really was a waste of money. Allocating assets is about moving pieces at high value which you deem will have a greater impact in the long term, not moving pieces when you realized you failed in your player assessment. Any smart GM (which compared to the Oilers I almost argue all of them are smarter) knows you are at their mercy when it comes players coming back in the trade. Its actual value vs. actual value, not potential value vs. great value. Morons!!!

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#232 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 08:04PM
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Gags is never getting traded. Hes Kevin Lowes pet project!

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#233 brian hitchinson
January 05 2014, 08:10PM
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@S cottV

The problem with the Oilers is, the management has overpaid all the supposide "stars". You have Hall, Eberly. RNH making 6mil & Smyth, Hemsky & Gagne making around 5mil! All the players I just wrote down are 2nd line players & probably 3rd line players on any desent team! Then the Oiler brass, says they can't sign any future good player with a high salary because they're at the salary cap. I thought they finally grabbed a brain by trading Horcoff, who was a 7mil. dollar third line center who scored less than 20 goals! Most Oiler fans can see the problem but the Lowe lead management team can't. Until they get rid of especially Lowe & who again looks for the supposed goal scorers who are small & get pushed around by all the large teams like STL,LA, Bos & just about every other team!! Then you have Aikens who has been a bust. Until the Oilers get rid of all management, the Oilers will struggle!!

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#234 RexHolez
January 05 2014, 08:19PM
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brian hitchinson wrote:

The problem with the Oilers is, the management has overpaid all the supposide "stars". You have Hall, Eberly. RNH making 6mil & Smyth, Hemsky & Gagne making around 5mil! All the players I just wrote down are 2nd line players & probably 3rd line players on any desent team! Then the Oiler brass, says they can't sign any future good player with a high salary because they're at the salary cap. I thought they finally grabbed a brain by trading Horcoff, who was a 7mil. dollar third line center who scored less than 20 goals! Most Oiler fans can see the problem but the Lowe lead management team can't. Until they get rid of especially Lowe & who again looks for the supposed goal scorers who are small & get pushed around by all the large teams like STL,LA, Bos & just about every other team!! Then you have Aikens who has been a bust. Until the Oilers get rid of all management, the Oilers will struggle!!

The problem with your comment is your poor spelling.

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#235 MessyEH
January 06 2014, 04:13AM
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Better do some fact checking.

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#236 G-Unit
January 06 2014, 12:04PM
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mnm wrote:

is it just me or does anyone else feel that this rebuild is never gonna end

It will end when we stop showing up to games in the new rink, Katz holds the team ransom and an EIG group makes that chimp a couple extra hundred million for his dumb-a@@ to sit on.

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