THE WAY I SEE IT: SPIN

Robin Brownlee
September 04 2013 08:23PM

What we heard today from Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish and Ales Hemsky was a combination of pure spin and putting the best foot forward for the sake of public consumption.

After suggesting it might be time for Hemsky and former captain Shawn Horcoff to move along after being beaten down by seven years of losing, and successfully unloading Horcoff to Dallas, MacTavish told media summoned to Rexall Place that No. 83 was off the trading block.

What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero.

For his part, Hemsky, who looked as comfortable as the lone man in the office getting dragged along to a company lunch with 20 of his female co-workers, went along, saying he was happy to be back and would do his utmost to be a better player and more of a leader.

What Hemsky didn’t say today is he'd still welcome a move to a new address because all the defeat and losing in Edmonton has worn him down, as MacT suggested it had months ago. That he'd play along for the sake of appearance, hoping that a hot 20-30 games to start this season might bump his value and produce a ticket out of town.

What else did you expect?

NOT MANY OPTIONS

With the Oilers making it known for at least the last couple of seasons that Hemsky has been available, and given his suggestion a chance in scenery might be the best thing for Hemsky and the Oilers this off-season with no serious takers, MacTavish doesn't have a lot of options. He picked the best one today.

Yes, it's spin, but today's staged kiss-and-make-up routine is better than having an asset like Hemsky sit on the sidelines or feel like he's on the outside looking in as he diminishes in value. There is no upside to that, as we saw with the clumsy handling of Sheldon Souray by ousted GM Steve Tambellini.

Thus, we got talk today about the possibility Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward. I don’t buy it, at least not for any period beyond the next trade deadline, but, like a politician stuck in an unhappy marriage at election time, better to put on a united front until the polls close before calling in the lawyers to draw up the divorce papers.

There is a win-win scenario here and that happens if Hemsky stays engaged in the process and tears it up like he can until enough pro scouts from the 29 other NHL teams conclude that he's not only capable of staying healthy, but returning to productivity. If that happens, Hemsky might get his ticket out of town and the Oilers might get a return that makes some sense.

But off the block? My eye.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . With the rookies set to get started in Penticton Thursday, we’ll get our first look at Oscar Klefbom, who, at least right now, is the best of a pretty good crop of young blueliners looking to impress. Darnell Nurse will get his share of the spotlight to be sure, but Klefbom's pursuit of a roster spot now through main camp is what has my attention.

. . . As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#101 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:22AM
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spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

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#102 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 11:22AM
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pkam wrote:

So are you telling me that you sign a player to 8 years and you only need him to perform for one year?

Hemsky only have health problem for 2 years, 09-10 and 10-11. He was doing great at the end of 11-12.

He played for Czech in WC that same year and was the top scorer for the Czech team, ahead of Thomas Plekanec, David Krejci, and Milan Michalek.

He started well this season and broke his foot blocking shot, which has nothing to do with his shoulder anymore.

Do I expect him to have a good year? My answer is same expectation I have with RNH.

I understand we have 3 top 6 RW and one of them will be moved eventually and Hemsky is most likely the odd man out. But to say he has no value or worse than Clarkson is just stupid.

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

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#103 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 11:27AM
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tileguy wrote:

spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

Yes, I would trade my third line winger and another asset to fix a more pressing need for the team.

Say a complete number two center or a top pairing defenseman.

You have to give up quality to get quality.

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#104 pkam
September 05 2013, 11:33AM
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Spydyr wrote:

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

Nobody knows if Hemsky will play 82 games this year.

This pass season, if Hemsky didn't break his foot blocking shot, he would have played the full 48 games and beat Clarkson in pts.

Any reason to think otherwise?

The only reason I can think of is the Oilers is in a more physical division with Kings, Ducks, and Sharks and Coyotes which puts our team in a less favorable scenario and makes our players more likely to get injury than the Leafs.

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#105 pkam
September 05 2013, 11:38AM
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tileguy wrote:

spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

I like to keep Hemsky but lets be real, we can't afford a 3rd line at 9M, and Hemsky won't resign with us for less than 4M.

If Hemsky gets healthy (which I expect) and is willing to sign with us long term for 3.5M, then it is a no-brainer. Otherwise, get as much as we can at the trade deadline.

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#106 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:41AM
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50 pt guy on the 3rd line for another 2 years would be a bargain IF the oilers are winning with this scenario. firewagon pond hockey is back!

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#107 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:42AM
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at 3.5

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#108 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 12:29PM
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Personally I don't want to see DSF go away. Love how he riles you guys up! I enjoy watching you all trash the hell out of him regardless of whether his post has merit or not.

I personally enjoy a non Kool-Aid drinking view here. How lame would this site be if all the posts were rosy, sunshine filled drivel all the time?

Challenge of the status quo is a good thing. We need more of it and less sense of entitlement in todays world.

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#109 pkam
September 05 2013, 12:32PM
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Spydyr wrote:

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

I go back to read Dangilitis again and think over it and I'll bet that Hemsky will score more points than Clarkson even he only plays 60 games this upcoming season and I believe he can.

It is Hemsky's contract year and Clarkson just sign an 8 years deal. This alone will be a big factor.

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#110 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 12:38PM
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pkam wrote:

I go back to read Dangilitis again and think over it and I'll bet that Hemsky will score more points than Clarkson even he only plays 60 games this upcoming season and I believe he can.

It is Hemsky's contract year and Clarkson just sign an 8 years deal. This alone will be a big factor.

OK. Great I would not bet against Hemmer either. All I was saying he has to stay healthy. With his past record of injury that makes it a brave bet.

Hemmer will have lots to prove this year and it is an Olympic year. For the team's sake I hope he lights it up.

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#111 Bucknuck
September 05 2013, 12:39PM
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pkam wrote:

I like to keep Hemsky but lets be real, we can't afford a 3rd line at 9M, and Hemsky won't resign with us for less than 4M.

If Hemsky gets healthy (which I expect) and is willing to sign with us long term for 3.5M, then it is a no-brainer. Otherwise, get as much as we can at the trade deadline.

Until we know the details of the new Salary cap, statements of "we can't afford x" don't hold much water. Let's see how much wiggle room there is at the end of the year.

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#112 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:06PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Why so much slander of Hemsky?

Why would you say the market for Hemsky was minimal or zero? Where did you gather these facts from?

When did you become an expert on reading human behaviour and Hemsky's inner thoughts?

Prior to last season, when in the previous ones did the Oilers make it public that they wanted to trade Hemsky?

Of course you don't buy Hemsky being part of this team in the future. I would assume that is because you already have your annual trade Hemsky article ready to release before the trade deadline, like the one you have been releasing year after year after year.

If Hemsky is playing at his best, why would the Oilers trade him?

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#113 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:09PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Please expand on this "Hemsky hate" you refer to. What sentence or paragraph, or overall tone for that matter, indicates "hate" for Hemsky? Do tell.

I don't know about OilLeak, but for me, your whole articles and all your assumptions in it reak of negativity-which can be related to hate or a strong dislike.

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#114 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 01:28PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Why so much slander of Hemsky?

Why would you say the market for Hemsky was minimal or zero? Where did you gather these facts from?

When did you become an expert on reading human behaviour and Hemsky's inner thoughts?

Prior to last season, when in the previous ones did the Oilers make it public that they wanted to trade Hemsky?

Of course you don't buy Hemsky being part of this team in the future. I would assume that is because you already have your annual trade Hemsky article ready to release before the trade deadline, like the one you have been releasing year after year after year.

If Hemsky is playing at his best, why would the Oilers trade him?

It is an opinion piece! The market for Hemsky was ZERO. Hence the reason he was not traded. No expertise required to figure that one out.

It is public knowledge that Hemsky has been on the block for at least 3 years.

Here is why Hemsky is not likely a part of the Oilers future.

1. Cap hit 2. Injury history 3. Work ethic

If Hemsky is still here after the deadline, and the Oilers are still in the picture, he will either walk for nothing at the end of the season as a UFA, or will be offered an extension at around 3-3.5 per. unlikely he will accept this number or a regular 3rd line role as he is still at an age where HE feels he is still a top 6 guy worth 4-5 mil per.

Brownlee's OPINION seems pretty accurate in my eyes.

Of course that is just my OPINION.

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#115 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:44PM
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@2004Z06

Calm down.

The market for Hemsky was not zero. Or, are you saying that Hemsky not being traded is the absolute reason/proof that the market was zero? I don't know if you're an expert or patronazing me, but how did you figure that?

What is public knowledge? Can you guide me to where you gathered it?

1. Cap hit? please explain

2. Injury history? If his injuries are a concern his cap hit should be that high, no?

3. Work ethic? You must be joking.

How do you know how Hemsky feels? You talk to him often?

Your opinion is Brownlee's opinion, but, of course that is just my opinion.

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#116 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 02:12PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Calm down.

The market for Hemsky was not zero. Or, are you saying that Hemsky not being traded is the absolute reason/proof that the market was zero? I don't know if you're an expert or patronazing me, but how did you figure that?

What is public knowledge? Can you guide me to where you gathered it?

1. Cap hit? please explain

2. Injury history? If his injuries are a concern his cap hit should be that high, no?

3. Work ethic? You must be joking.

How do you know how Hemsky feels? You talk to him often?

Your opinion is Brownlee's opinion, but, of course that is just my opinion.

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

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#117 StuckOutHere
September 05 2013, 02:41PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

I'm sorry but you have no idea about his work ethic. It's this kind of preaching something as fact which is nothing but spin that clouds the debate. How many times has he come back from injury or surgery? You don't think that might be an indication of a good work ethic? He made the NHL, you don't think that might've taken some work ethic?

And have you personally ever seen him on the ice late or off early? You've been in the locker room when he showered quickly and left? And how is a quick shower an indication of poor work ethic? How is not wanting to do interviews with men who consistently throw him under the bus an indication of poor work ethic? Why is being an introvert associated with having poor work ethic?

These are all assumptions and strawmen arguments that have been part of the debate regarding the best oiler of the past decade for far too long.

Why was Socrates the wisest man of his time? Because he did not presume to know, that which he did not know. Many of the Nation could to well to follow such advice.

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#118 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 02:59PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

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#119 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 02:59PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

^

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#120 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 03:12PM
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Spydyr wrote:

OK. Great I would not bet against Hemmer either. All I was saying he has to stay healthy. With his past record of injury that makes it a brave bet.

Hemmer will have lots to prove this year and it is an Olympic year. For the team's sake I hope he lights it up.

That's the point. DSF shoots off his mouth until it gets out of hand and he leaves stupid messages like "gagner is mediocre" and "clarkson is better value than Hemsky and will outscore him" then cowards away from challenges. He hasn't responded because he knows that even if hemmer plays 60 games (could play way more for the record) on the 3rd line with Boyd Gordon that he will still out score a meathead like clarkson. Case closed

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#121 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 03:17PM
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DSF

Would also gladly take the bet that you propose that clarkson never scores 30 goals a season for any year in Toronto

Only problem is I want you off this site much sooner than 8 years and Hemsky vs. clarkson will get you off by next season. C'mon big shot, take the bet.

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#122 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:18PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

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#123 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:19PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

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#124 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:21PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

I'm sorry but you have no idea about his work ethic. It's this kind of preaching something as fact which is nothing but spin that clouds the debate. How many times has he come back from injury or surgery? You don't think that might be an indication of a good work ethic? He made the NHL, you don't think that might've taken some work ethic?

And have you personally ever seen him on the ice late or off early? You've been in the locker room when he showered quickly and left? And how is a quick shower an indication of poor work ethic? How is not wanting to do interviews with men who consistently throw him under the bus an indication of poor work ethic? Why is being an introvert associated with having poor work ethic?

These are all assumptions and strawmen arguments that have been part of the debate regarding the best oiler of the past decade for far too long.

Why was Socrates the wisest man of his time? Because he did not presume to know, that which he did not know. Many of the Nation could to well to follow such advice.

Not presuming anything, look it up.

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#125 pkam
September 05 2013, 03:24PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

1. Cap Hit - Whose contract is worse in terms of cap hit, Horcoff's 2 year at 5.5M or Hemsky's 1 year at 5M? If Horcoff can be traded, I don't see any reason Hemsky's contract is untradeable.

2. Injury history - Hemsky was pretty healthy before 09-10. He had a shoulder surgery in 09-10 which limited him to 22 games. He returned in 10-11 and required surgery to the other shoulder. Then he took some time in the beginning of 11-12 to heal his shoulder. And he had no more health problem. This pass season he broke his foot blocking a shot, is this a health problem? If you compare his health record to Horcoff, he is not any worse than Horcoff. Actually, he played 38 games last year when Horcoff only plays 31 games.

3. Work Ethic - I don't see any problem with his on ice ethic. About his off ice ethic, I am not allowed in the dressing room nor have a chance to practice with him so I really don't know.

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#126 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:31PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

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#127 pkam
September 05 2013, 03:50PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Crosby only played 180 of 294 games since 2009, 4 games more than Hemsky.

What is worse is of the 212 games since 2010, Hemsky played 152 and Crosby only played 99. Does it mean Crosby has more injury problem and is less tradeable than Hemsky?

By the way, our new acquirement Dave Perron only played 115 games since 2010, 37 games less than Hemsky.

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#128 DonDon
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Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

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#129 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 04:04PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

You should note the title. It reads "rumours", you want to open the box for facts with the label of rumours. Why would I fall for that? Why did you?

Whats becoming weak? Don't make sh!t up.

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#130 2004Z06
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Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

I have no hate for Ales Hemsky, I have always respected him for the fact that he has sacrificed a lot for the Oilers.

My comments were directed towards a few readers interpretation of Brownlee's article.

My point was that his opinion was understandable based on the facts as we currently know them.

As with Spector's articles, Brownlee's opinion can be polarizing.

While everyone is entitled to an opinion, people should respect that the writers on ON provide us with the fodder we comment on here daily.

Bashing any of them for their opinion is disrespectful considering the fact that without them, the site wouldn't exist.

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#131 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 04:06PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

I didn't need you to tell me you're wrong, I knew that.

Why don't you do the math over his career and see whate percentage you come up with? Why did you only do the last two years? Makes you look smarter or what? Better support for your weak theory?

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#132 Sanaa Montana
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Not presuming anything, look it up.

If you know it to be the truth, please lead us to it.

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#133 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 04:09PM
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Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

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#134 Oiler Al
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Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

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#135 Sanaa Montana
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DonDon wrote:

Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

Those are the only two options; get traded or become a UFA.

It is not criticism if it is always assumptions of negative nature, that is hate. No one says it is undeserved as long as it is based on fact, and not on an if.

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#136 2004Z06
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Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

THANK YOU! Finally another voice of reason.

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#137 Eddie Shore
September 05 2013, 05:04PM
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I'm sick of hearing Spector et al piss and moan how Hemsky is always first off the ice. He's been in this league for 10 years, I doubt he is all of sudden going to change his ways. Get over it already.

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#138 OilClog
September 05 2013, 05:13PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

Actually Hemsky is far from a One DIMENSIONAL player.. He's very slick at the puck retrieval, as to why it's so damn appealing for Ales to be in a checking role.

There is a market for Ales Hemsky, what there isn't a market for.. Making a sensible trade that will help improve the Edmonton Oilers, by moving Ales Hemsky. As MacT stated, he didn't find what he found as an acceptable return. This is a GM that knows how to protect his Value, whether you dimwit trolls can recognize it or not is obviously a different debate.

The guy plays a dozen games on a broken foot and still the media and trolls alike try to say his work ethic, drive, desire, passion, compete levels isn't there. He goes into every damn tough area puck battle there is on the ice. If Ales Hemsky was named Steve House, Ales Hemsky would be a freaking God among Men in MSM land.

Good Grief

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#139 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 05 2013, 06:07PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

DSF

Would also gladly take the bet that you propose that clarkson never scores 30 goals a season for any year in Toronto

Only problem is I want you off this site much sooner than 8 years and Hemsky vs. clarkson will get you off by next season. C'mon big shot, take the bet.

You have too little at risk. A half hearted crow eating fest. Give DSF something to shoot for.

Loser picks up the production/screening costs of the next batch of the charitable Oilersnation t-shirts/hoodies. To burn a screen, ink and labour, you're looking at 400-500 dollars.

This hatchet race to get at DSF looks to have been turned up a notch this year. Without DSF here for many to slag, where would people go to trash someone so they can feel better about themselves?

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#140 David S
September 05 2013, 06:15PM
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Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

The work ethic thing is a fabrication of some fans and media. Truth is, you don't get as good at anything as Hemsky is at hockey without a killer work ethic so perhaps we should let that old nut fall by the wayside.

Hemsky has been hurt alot in the past few years and lost substantial parts of seasons or has considerably underperformed when he was able to play. No NHL GM is going to risk a $5 Million cap hit for a guy with extremely questionable durability at 30 ears of age.

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#141 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 06:48PM
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The work ethic thing is a fabrication of some fans and media. Truth is, you don't get as good at anything as Hemsky is at hockey without a killer work ethic so perhaps we should let that old nut fall by the wayside.

Hemsky has been hurt alot in the past few years and lost substantial parts of seasons or has considerably underperformed when he was able to play. No NHL GM is going to risk a $5 Million cap hit for a guy with extremely questionable durability at 30 ears of age.

There is no doubt that he can dangle the rubber going up ice.... but come on... #83 is not noted for hauling his a....s the other way on the backcheck. Even on his so called dangle the play dies with him far to often, that's when hes not off side.

No argument has a ton of talent but I will say it again.. heès a ONER, plays ok by himself, not so well with others.

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#142 TigerUnderGlass
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@Oiler Al

Just to be clear - Hemsky is a bad player because he turns the puck over a lot?

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#144 2004Z06
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@Robin Brownlee

Well put! Thanks

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#146 Dangilitis
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

You have too little at risk. A half hearted crow eating fest. Give DSF something to shoot for.

Loser picks up the production/screening costs of the next batch of the charitable Oilersnation t-shirts/hoodies. To burn a screen, ink and labour, you're looking at 400-500 dollars.

This hatchet race to get at DSF looks to have been turned up a notch this year. Without DSF here for many to slag, where would people go to trash someone so they can feel better about themselves?

He could pick the terms if he wanted to, but he never responds when the other end of the deal is that he stop posting on this site.

I don't trash him to feel good about myself, and such an implication is foolish at best. Maybe you come on this site to feel better about yourself, but then if you are an Oilers fan, you must be a masochist... I am a proud Oiler fan, and I know there was not a lot to be proud about over the last 6-7 years. I would argue that Oiler fans in general (and I hate speaking in generalities) are quite intelligent and well-meaning, and do engage in debate in meaningful ways on a variety of sites, which as a whole, constitute one of the best collection of opinions offered for any NHL team. Agreed?

I don't need some a**hole know it all whose comments border on insanity tell sensible Oiler fans what there is to dislike about this team. Especially when he speaks in hyperbole. I don't need to come on here and have every conversation dominated by someone who always wants the last word and the wrong word on any matter Oilers. It is a joke, frankly. I challenge him to this bet so that if I win (and healthy Hemsky vs Clarkson is no contest), we do not have to put up with his BS any longer. It completely detracts from the point of this site, and while it is within his right of free speech, it impinges upon the rights of other fans to engage in productive conversation.

He continues to cower away from any challenges. I know now and have evidence from several exchanges that when he is challenged with facts, he produces irrelevant ones or backs away. He has done the latter today.

But thanks dude for your insight, I bet you are a forensic pscyhologist by day.

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#147 Dangilitis
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For those of you who are having trouble understanding DSF, he has created his own language, called DSelFish

While he continues to post comments that most of us who are unfamiliar with this language do not understand, I think I will try to help us decipher it every now again. Let me present DSFish encyclopedia, entry #1:

1) Mediocre - 1st round draft pick who has scored less than NHL 260 pts by the age of 24, less than 9 points in an NHL game, less than 4 Oilers franchise records, and has less than 2 gold and 2 silver medals representing Canada in international play. 2) Clarkson - a 4th line player who has never had more than 16 assists in a season. See also: player who is worth $5 million per season. See also: player who is worth more than any Oiler who has won an olympic medal, a WC gold, helped lead a team to game 7 of SCF, and has scored 0.82 ppg over the last 8 seasons/467 games played. 3) Oiler NHLE (relative to NJD players) - 0.528 (pts/game), 0.38 (career pts) 4) Minnesota prospect - see also: Sidney Crosby or Nicklas Lidstrom 5) The need to give one's head a shake - warranted when someone rationally believes that a skilled Oiler with a great NHL resume is more valuable to his team than a "gritty" forward with a one year track record and a new 37 million contract that has prevented his team from re-signing Kadri. 6) Brian Burke - see: Messiah 7) "I'll wager that" - I'll wager nothing when called out. 8) "not much" - when referred to a Canadian player, refers to any such player who was not invited to 2014 Canadian Olympic orientation camp. also see: Iginla, also see: Jamie Benn, also see: Ribeiro, Moulson, Kadri, Pacioretty, Nugent-Hopkins 9) Oilers NHLE (

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#148 Dangilitis
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9) Oilers NHLE (

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#149 Dangilitis
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9) Oilers NHLE (less than 25 years old, relative to rest of league): to be reduced by yet to be determined factor, secondary to "inflated point totals by Oilers out of desperate need by team to sell tickets") 10) "Desperation to sell tickets" - refers to non-existent needs of a team whose franchise has missed the playoffs for 6 years and still sells out every home game 11) "long history of mediocre captains" - when reference is to an NHL team, a team whose captains have included the 2 career leading points scorers. Also see: team whose captains (F & D) have produced 0.84 points per game while adorning the "C."

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